296: Dr. Joe Dispenza – Becoming Supernatural, Reprogram Your Mind, Trust Your Intuition

Dr. Joe: I thought my life was over and I was pretty frustrated, pretty impatient, pretty angry, afraid, you know, so those emotions wouldn’t be the emotions that would actually heal me. I never think that there’s a time when your mind isn’t influencing your body and there’s never a time where your body isn’t influencing your mind.

Jesse: Hello and welcome to The Ultimate Health Podcast episode 296 Jesse Chappus here with Marni Wasserman, and we are here to take your health to the next level.

Marni: Each week we will bring you inspiring and informative conversations about health and wellness, covering topics of nutrition, lifestyle, fitness, mindset, and so much more.

Jesse: This week we are speaking with Dr. Joe Dispenza, a New York Times bestselling author of four books, including Becoming Supernatural: How Common People Are Doing The Uncommon. And today we’re focusing in on this book Becoming Supernatural. He is world renowned teacher, lecture and researcher in the fields of neuroscience and epigenetics. Dr. Dispenza workshops utilize the latest scientific research to help people rewire their brains and recondition their bodies to a new mind in order to create a new personal reality.

Marni: Dr. Dispenza has been one of our most highly requested guests and we are so excited to have him on the show to share his personal story and his wisdom. And although we’ve had so many guests on the show talk about the impact that diet can have on transforming their health. This conversation goes so much deeper and we’re so excited for you to listen and share this episode with you. So here’s what we get into. We talk about the bike accident that changed Dr. Joe’s life, how to trust your intuition, thinking versus feeling, the concept of metacognition, the addiction we have to our emotions, how to reprogram your mind, physical, chemical and emotional stress, and the different types of meditation. And the one that Dr. Joe recommends. Super excited for you guys to hear this conversation. Here we go with Dr. Joe Dispenza.

Jesse: Hello Dr. Joe, welcome to the podcast. How are you doing today?

Dr. Joe: Very good. I’m excited to be with you guys.

Marni: We’re excited to have you here. So where I want to start is with the bike accident that you had during the triathlon years ago, this event changed your life as you know it. So why don’t you tell us a story and how it changed your life?

Dr. Joe: First of all, I think that in order for some of us to wake up, we need a wake up call. And this was my wake up call. I was living a just a great life in a southern California. I had a great practice in the La Jolla, San Diego area. So I was in my 20s and everything is going great. And I was triathlete. So I was in a triathlon in Palm Springs, California and I was on the biking portion of the race and I was coming to a corner and there were two cyclists on that corner and I wanted to negotiate a turn past them and make a right hand turn. And there was a police officer on the opposite corner pointing at me, waving me on to make the turn, like he was guiding me to make the turn, but he had his back to the oncoming traffic. So when I made the turn a four wheel drive bronco just caught me from behind and catapulted me out of my bike and I wound up landing on my back and breaking six vertebrae in my spine. And when you have that kind of compressive force, uh, the compression takes vertebrates that are like blocks or columns in, it flattens them like pancakes. So I had one particular that was really more than 60% collapsed and there were bone fragments on my spinal cord and the arch that the spinal cord passes through had broken like a pretzel. So I had multiple compression fractures of my thoracic and lumbar spine. I had bone fragments on my cord and I had the neural arch of the thoracic vertebrae compressing the cord as well. So the typical procedure for something like this is what’s called the Harrington rod surgery, and that’s where they cut off the back parts of your vertebrae. And then they screw in these stainless steel rods, in my case, who would be at the base of my neck to the base of my spine. And then, you know, then they take some bone from your hip, then they place it over the top and hope for the best and the Harrington rods act as a way to stabilize the fractures into really (inaudible) lever, the spinal column off the spinal cord. Anyway, the prognosis wasn’t good that if I didn’t have the surgery, they told me I’d never walk again. That um, paralysis and sensory and motor problems would be the side effects. So I don’t know, back in the 80s I don’t think it was really common to tell your doctor you weren’t sure about having the surgery. So I had four opinions from four of the leading surgeons in southern California, two in Palm Springs and two, in La Jolla in San Diego. And without a doubt, they all said, you know, this is the surgery that’s indicated in. That’s the best choice that you should make. And I think if it was anybody else, I probably would’ve agreed, you know, sent the person, if I saw the x rays, I would have agreed with them and said, you know, this is the protocol, but this was me. And it was just a little bit different because I wasn’t so quick to make that choice out. Long story short, I decided against the surgery and I decided, look, there’s an intelligence that gives us life that keeps our heart beating, digesting our food, organizing trillions of functions every second, and I’m not going anywhere, not doing anything. This power thats really is giving me life is the power that’s going to heal me. So I’m gonna see if I can connect with it. I’m going to see if I can give it a plan, a design, the template and when I’m satisfied with that plan and design. I’m going to surrender it to this intelligence because I certainly can’t do it, but it can. Then I just said, I’m not going to let any thought slip by my awareness that I don’t want to experience. And I thought that would be easy. And that turned out to be one of the most difficult things I ever had to do because I think when you’re in crisis or trauma, I think we focused on what we don’t want to have happen instead of what we do want to have happen. So I went through a dark night of the soul during that time and I couldn’t get my mind to do what I wanted it to do. And after about six weeks, all of a sudden everything started to change and I started feeling better. And the moment I started to notice the changes inside of me, I just started doing it with more passion in was back on my feet in 10 1/2 weeks and then back in my practice and training again at 12 weeks. And I just made a deal with myself that if I was ever able to walk again, I’d spend the rest of my life studying the mind, body, and mind over matter. And pretty much, I’ve been doing that since 1986.

Marni: So what I also find fascinating is that you were a chiropractor at the time. You just started your practice, which means you had a really good idea of what your body looked like. So in terms of visualizing the repair and making that change, you had this understanding of what that looked like in your body. So it was kind of interesting that you were able to do that as well because you understood the body so well.

Dr. Joe: Yeah. And you know, it just wasn’t my background in spinal biomechanics because I mean, I had a ton of training on that, but I was also, I had a yoga studio and I did a lot of yoga and did a lot of martial arts. And so I was also very aware of what my body was capable of doing. You know, when a surgeon tells you, oh, don’t worry about it, you know, we’re going to put these rods in your spine. You don’t have any motion in your thoracic spine. And I’m looking at that surgeon and I’m thinking, maybe you don’t have any motion in your throracic spine, but I have a whole lot more motion than you do. So there was an intuition too that was in addition to my training that was more intellectual because I had moved my body in so many different ways and I knew it and I knew that surgery was not the choice for the body, you know, so I can draw vertebrae, any one of those vertebrae lefthanded and upside down. I mean I know them so well. I mean, so I was lucky in that way or it was synchronistic in a way that I had the opportunity to focus on what I knew, which was cool.

Jesse: And what was your experience with the mind body connection at this point when you had your accident?

Dr. Joe: Let me just say that um, my understanding of it then compared to my understanding of it now is very different. I understood that I had to make a very strong attempt to get beyond my body and its pain and its all of its symptoms in order to heal it. That if I was trying to do it as my identity or my personality or as my body trying to heal my body, that would be matter trying to change matter and it just takes a long time or we exert very little change. And so I just knew that on some level I had to stick with it and I had to produce not only the proper imagery in my mind and be so present with what I was doing that I also had the create the proper chemistry for my body. Because thoughts tend to be the vocabulary of your brain and feelings tend to be the vocabulary or the currency of your body. And so if your body is suffering or you’re in pain or you’re unhappy or your frustrated and you’re sending a thought that I’m healthy, that thought never really makes it pass the brainstem to the body because the body’s feeling miserable and it doesn’t really program anything. And I, it took me six weeks to figure this out because I was a young kid and I thought my life was over and I was pretty frustrated, pretty impatient, pretty angry, afraid, you know? So I realize that those emotions wouldn’t be the emotions that would actually heal me. And so this was the key moment for me because then I had to change my attitude, you know, and I had to change my emotional state. And when I started doing that, I started noticing that, um, the effects were greater. And, and, um, I never think that there’s a time when your mind is influencing your body and there’s never a time where your body isn’t influencing your mind. So I just had a personal experience with it and it helped me to change my emotional state because I think we only accept, believe and surrender to the thoughts equal to our emotional state. And we don’t accept, believe and surrender to any thoughts that are not equal to our emotional state. So I had to change my emotional state. And since emotions are a record of the past, if I was living in frustration, then my body was believing it was in the same experience. So I had to changed frustration into a different emotion. I think that was a real big challenge for me.

Jesse: And Dr. Joe, the route you took to healing at the time would have been looked at is pretty radical and pretty alternative. What was the support like from family and friends as you went through this process?

Dr. Joe: I had a lot of great friends at the time there. I had all kinds of health care practitioners from other chiropractors to physicians, medical doctors too physical therapists to um, psychotherapists, you know, a great group of people that I hung out with. And it was really funny because you know, when you’re faced with a decision like this and you’re weighing what you know against what you don’t know, it’s a kind of a critical moment because when people pat you on the shoulder and they say, we know you’re going to make the right choice and then they file out of the room. I think what that really means is I’m so glad I’m not you, because I could see the discomfort on everybody’s face. They just want to return back to their normal lives. And this was a critical moment for me. So I had a lot of support from my friends and my family. But by the same means, I think everybody was happy that it wasn’t them on some level. So, but I also had a great group of people that would show up every day, uh, and lay their hands on my body and we did all kinds of things. So I had a great support. I wound up staying at a very close friend of mine, his beautiful home in Civic Beach, and had a great place to heal and convalesce. So it was, it was wonderful.

Marni: So you mentioned that you tapped into your intuition versus just intellectual. How did you know to do this? What was it in you that let your mind open up to this possibility that you had control over the situation by using intuition?

Dr. Joe: How do we know anything? I mean, uh, I had a certain amount of knowledge out of a certain amount of experience. I had some training in yoga and hypnosis. I was really into human potential. I wasn’t the type of guy that was just going to lay down and give up. I think I was just willing to take a risk, willing to step into the unknown, and I think I was young enough, maybe a little arrogant enough, maybe a little bit innocent enough. That’s a, I figured, well, geez, if I’m going to be in a wheelchair, have rods in my spine and living on medications to try to get away from the pain and handicapped to some level, why not roll the dice and take a chance on myself? So I just, I guess I just trusted the process or trusted myself a little bit more.

Jesse: And in the book you say that to make any real lasting changes, you have to think greater than the way you feel and this is what you’re doing at the time as you’re healing.

Dr. Joe: I think that we’re all faced with a great opportunities, brilliantly disguised impossible situations, whether it’s an accident or a trauma where your body is injured or betrayal or a shock or a diagnosis. I think the emotions that we have from past experiences are the things that we have to overcome, and if emotions are a record of the past and you can’t think greater than how you feel or feelings have become the means of thinking, then in a sense you’re thinking in the past. And if you believe that your thoughts have something to do with your destiny, well you keep creating the same outcome. And it’s that cycle of getting caught in certain emotions and feelings that influence our thoughts and those thoughts produce the exact same chemicals for us to feel the same way. And then once we feel the same way, we think more of the same thoughts and the body is the unconscious mind. It’s subjective. It doesn’t know the difference between an experience in your life that creates an emotion and the emotion that we can create by thought alone. So in a sense, when we get caught in these loops, the body is believing that it’s living in the same past experience, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. And it’s the repetition or the redundancy of that process that conditions the body emotionally to become the mind. And now the body literally is in the past. So healing can happen if the body is perceiving it’s in the same trauma over and over again. So getting beyond your emotional state is one of the greatest things we could ever do because that means we’re getting beyond our past.

Marni: So let’s talk about this process. This is something that worked on you. You realize later that there’s other people around the world that have done something similar and now you’re teaching about it. So let’s kind of take people through how you started to realize that this is something that can be done, not just by you, but by anyone.

Dr. Joe: Yeah, I mean, look, I’m a kind of an unusual person when it comes to the way I view things. I mean, I just said been initiated, you know, on some level. And I couldn’t relate with a lot of things in my life any longer because I was not the same guy. I mean, I just went through an intense inward change and let me lay it all down. And it’s kind of funny because, uh, you can’t stop thinking about it. Well, I mean, what was I going to be unhappy about it? I was back on my feet. I could have dinner at a table, I can have lunch with my friends, I can play golf, I could take a shower or sit on the toilet. I mean, these were things that everybody takes for granted. And boy, when you get them back, you just have a greater appreciation for everything and greater appreciation for the freedom of being, you know, on two legs again. So I was bothered by the fact that when I started to look and investigate what had happened to me, I couldn’t find any real literature on what would be the process of that change or, or a personal transformation. So I basically sold everything left southern California and moved to the northwest, took a very spiritual approach to life. And I think this was where I started asking bigger questions, like how did it, what did I do? Where’s the science to support it? Who am I a, what is my purpose in this life? Your values begin to change. And for me, I know I couldn’t find it in the conventional model. So when you start studying a little quantum physics and you start thinking that your mind has an effect on reality than what is mind, and you got to start studying neuroscience and then you’ve got to start studying well genes make, in order for me to create change in my bones, I must’ve signaled certain genes or genes are cause of disease or genes. Just uh, you know, blueprints of possibilities. And so you start studying epigenetics and if you want to know how the mind influences the body, you got to study psychoneuroimmunology. And so kind of studied these branches of science and really was trying to understand the process. And it was fun because that’s the only thing I wanted to think about. And so then I started studying spontaneous remissions. I started interviewing people that were diagnosed with a certain health conditions and they were treating conventionally or unconventionally. They were getting worse and then all of a sudden they got better and I wanted to know what the cause was that produced that effect. And so hundreds of people were interviewed in, I found out some commonalities that they had that was very, very instrumental in their personal healing. So once I demystify that process and wrote my first book, then I thought, well, this is a time in history where it’s not enough to know this is the time in history to know how. So if it worked on these people that were diagnosed in sick and they were able to turn it around, it should work on other people that are sick and it should work on well, people to, if they want to change something about themselves. Really, I started getting into the practical aspect and started studying brain waves and brain technology and all these different branches of science and really started seeing if it could work. And it took a while for people to wrap their mind around it. And then when we started seeing the kind of changes that started to happen, you know, people stepping out of, or wheelchairs with MS, you know, in a drop in their crutches with ALS, you know, you start wondering if that’s happening in one meditation in one moment, that genes are signaled in that moment. So that’s what got me involved in doing the research. So we started seeing that the results could be demystified. And so we started, you know, we’ve done thousands and thousands and thousands of brain scans, thousands of measurements on genes, on immune regulation, on telomeres, on the energy around peoples’ bodies, the energy centers of their bodies. And we’ve studied neurotransmitters. So heart rate variability, what is the process to begin to take information and bring it to transformation? So if you fast forward to today, you know we run these week long events and you know, you start witnessing some really amazing things like blind people seeing and deaf people hearing and tumors shrinking before your eyes in one week and people with Parkinson’s no longer having tremors or can swallow or can chew, you know, you start seeing all these wonderful effects in one week. The journey has been worth it, number one. And I think we’re just like a four minute mile. I think once that veneer has been broken in consciousness big footprint for other people to step into. And by the same means you see evidence in our scientific measurements and people who have had those transformations. Evidence is the loudest voice right now and information is great but people want to know how to do it. And so my passion really has been in the last several years. It just demystifying the process to a formula so that people have within their reach all the tools to begin to measurable changes in their bodies and in their lives. And certainly I’m not the same guy was in 1986 but certainly there are certain principles that are certainly very similar.

Jesse: Can you take us through the process in detail from thought to emotion, to having an impact on the genes, to actually having an impact on the body as a whole?

Dr. Joe: Sure. We’ve measured gene regulation. I now know that people can change their genes in four days. We have the proof to show you that it’s possible. So I think the first myth that we have to break for a lot of people is that people say, oh, I have this condition it’s genetic. Well, first of all, less than 1% the people on the planet are born with a genetic condition like Tay-Sachs disease or type one diabetes or sickle cell anemia. The other 99% of all diseases on this planet come from lifestyle, from choices, from behaviors. Then you know, we have to understand what genes aren’t. Genes are Christmas tree lights. They’re turning on and off all the time. And genes make proteins because the body is a protein producing machine. So muscle cells make muscle proteins. The proteins are called actin and myosin skin cells make skin proteins called collagen and elastin. Stomach cells make stomach proteins are called enzymes. Your immune system makes immune proteins called antibodies or immunoglobulins. And so in order for any cell in your body to make a protein, the gene has to be regulated or signaled. They used to say genes create disease. Now we know that’s not the case. I mean, if you’re born with a genetic condition, yes, but then what is it that signals the gene? While it’s the environment, now they call it the environment, like your outer environment. So if you keep reacting to your coworker or your boss or to your ex in the same exact way emotionally, well, if the environment signals the gene and the end product of an experience in the environment is an emotion, it tends to be the emotions then that are what are selecting and instructing genes. So then if you’re living in stress and you’re living in survival, it’s a fact that the longterm effects of those hormones living in emergency mode downregulates genes and they make cheaper protein. So the body begins to break down, but why is it that two factory workers can work side by side in the same plant for 25 years? They’re both exposed to the same carcinogenic chemical. One gets cancer and the other doesn’t. Well, there must be some internal order that’s still the outer environment of the cell. So then our internal order has to do with how we think and feel. So then is it possible then to signal the gene ahead of the environment? So then if a person then could close their eyes and begin to trade fear or hostility or anger or frustration or resentment or impatience for an elevated emotion like gratitude, thankfulness, or love or joy, whatever the elevated emotion is, if they understood that when they created this emotional state, they would be knocking on the genetic door. Because if the emotion then is the end product of an experience in the environment and the environment signals the gene, when they’re embracing that emotion, the body is the unconscious mind is believing they’re in that environmental condition and they’re signaling the gene ahead of the environment. There are some conditions to this because let’s say you’ve been betrayed in some way or you were shocked or traumatized from some event, the stronger the emotion that you feel from that outer experience, the more altered you feel inside of you, the more you narrow your focus on the cause and the brain takes it snapshot, freezes an image, and that’s called a memory. So the higher the quotion of the emotion, then the more you remember the experience. So then how are you going to change the gene if the person’s living by the same emotion every single day? Because if they’re thinking and feeling and feeling and thinking in the same state of being, they keep their same genes on, and the other genes off, and now they’re headed for a genetic destiny. So then in order for them to begin to change it, they have to literally over time create an emotional state inwardly that’s greater than the betrayal or trauma that happened in their outer world. And so then the stronger the emotion they feel that’s connected to their future that they’re imagining, the more they’ll pay attention to the pictures in their mind. And we could say then that they begin to remember their future. They’re beginning to emboss new circuits in their brain and send new chemical signals to their body, and that is the process of personal change and transformation. And some people can do it. It takes them years because they had a rough childhood with the difficult parents and it’s not even conscious any longer, and it may take them a couple of years of turn the battleship around, but others, now we’re doing it in a shorter and shorter amount of time because we now know there’s a formula. If you apply that formula, you can get better at it. So we’ve seen people make those changes in shorter amount of time because they’re getting better at creating that interstate.

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Dr. Joe: Everybody has had some type of event in their past that has changed them on some level. You know, I think what most people do, Jesse, is they, they wake up in the morning with kind of a clear slate. They don’t feel anything. Your brain is a record of the past. It’s an artifact of everything you’ve learned and experienced to this moment. So then when you wake up in the morning and you start thinking about your problems and those problems are connected to certain people and certain objects and things at certain times and places, the moment you start thinking about your problems, you’re already thinking in the past. So now your brain is activated in you’re connected to the memory of who you think you are. Every one of those memories. It has an emotion associated with it. So then you start thinking about your problems and when you start feeling unhappy or you start feeling bad or guilty or sad, well, if thoughts are the vocabulary of your brain and feelings about the vocabulary of your body and how you think and how you feel creates your state of being. We could say then that most people wake up every single morning reaffirming the same state of being there in their familiar past. And many people do that and when you’re in, you’re familiar past, then you’re craving the predictable future. So then you get up and you go through a series of routine behaviors that you’ve been doing for the last 25 years and your unconscious and your body now is on autopilot and you’re in this kind of craving of the familiar. Your body is taking you into a genetic future based on what you’ve done yesterday in the past. And in a sense you’ve lost your freewill to a program in that timeline of genetic future, people wind up developing all kinds of health conditions because there’s no new information coming from the environment that would be changing any gene expressions. So now they’re headed for a genetic destiny. So we’ve seen people with brain tumors, we’ve seen people with immune mediated conditions, we’ve seen people with MS and rheumatoid arthritis and anxiety, depression and mental health disorders, all kinds of different conditions that just kind of snuck up on them over time because they got lost in some type of program. So then the crisis comes, the trauma comes, the loss comes, the diagnosis comes and you get that diagnosis and you get that experience and you no longer feel like yourself. In other words, you get brought to a lower level emotionally, and when you’re at that lower level, you’re not very interested in returning texts. You’re not so interested in responding to everybody’s email. You’re not wanting to go to dinner and do the same thing. All of a sudden you starting to go more inward. And when you feel differently, you can start seeing yourself through the eyes of someone else because you’re no longer yourself. And you can all of a sudden pay attention to how you’ve been thinking. You can begin to notice how you’re acting or how you’ve been speaking, and you can really begin to observe how you feel and you say, oh my god, I’ve been feeling guilty or sad for the last 20 years. I didn’t know it was guilt or sadness. It’s just how I feel. This concept in neuroscience called metacognition. When you start thinking about what you’re thinking about now, you’re no longer a program. You’re the consciousness observing the program. When you start noticing how you’re acting, you’re disentangling and objectifying from your subjective self. In other words, when you’re inside the jar, you can’t see the label. So it takes sometimes an altered state to begin to see who we are. And when you notice that you’ve been suffering for the last 30 years and you haven’t even been aware that it’s been guilt or suffering now you know that you know. And so the more conscious you become of these unconscious states, the less unconscious you go to them in your waking life. Now, this is lighting a match in a dark place. And most people when they start feeling that discomfort would rather turn on the TV. They’d rather get on their cell phone and text or get on their computer and do something to distract them. But this is game on right now. As a person begins to become conscious of these unconscious states of mind and body and their objectifying, their subjective self, they’re no longer the program they’re, the consciousness observing the program, they’re becoming conscious now for the first time. And some people only can do this for a day or two or a very short amount of time in the beginning because they don’t like what they see. But if you’re sincere and you understand that you have to retire the old self before you create a new self, then the next fundamental question we should ask ourselves is, okay, now that I know what I want to change about myself, who do I want to be? What thoughts do I want to fire and wire in my brain. What behaviors do I want to demonstrate in one day and the act of closing your eyes and mentally rehearsing who you want to be that day planning your behaviors begins to install the neurological hardware in your brain to look like you’ve already experienced that day. Now this means the brain is no longer a record of the past. Now it’s a map to the future and if you can keep firing and wiring those circuits, the hardware will become a software program and now who knows? You just may start thinking like a happy person. You may start acting like an abundant person. Why? There’s no magic there. You installed the circuits and then here’s the challenging part. Can you teach your body emotionally what that future will feel like before the future happens? In other words, you can’t wait for your wealth to feel abundance. You can’t wait for your success to feel empowered, you can’t wait for your new relationship to feel love or your healing to feel gratitude or wholeness. That’s kind of the old model of reality of cause and effect. Waiting for something outside of us to happen in our outer world, to take away our emptiness or our pain that we feel inside of us. If you believe that your thoughts and feelings create your life and you’re living in emptiness and lack more than likely than not, a lot of things are going to happen in your outer world that are gonna take away your pain. But the quantum model of reality is causing an effect. So that means the moment you start feeling worthy and abundant, you’re generating wealth. The moment you start feeling empowered, you’re stepping towards your success. The moment you start loving yourself and loving life, you’ll create an equal. And in the moment you’re grateful or feeling more whole, your healing begins. And that’s causing an effect. So that takes a little practice to decondition us that so many people rely on their outer world to bring them joy or bring them pleasure. And really when we start understanding how to make our changes in our inner world and see the effects it produces in our outer world, then all of a sudden the process gets much more enjoyable and people start really latching on to the principals and they believe less that they’re the victim of their lives. You know, the unconscious program, when you say to someone, why are you so unhappy? And they say, I’m unhappy because this person or this situation is making me feel and think this way. Well, if that outer world is controlling your inner world, then you’re a victim to your outer world. So when you start changing how you think and feel, and it starts producing effects in your outer world, you start believing more that you’re the creator of your life and less of the victim of your life. And I can tell you, um, people are doing this and they’re doing it really, really well.

Jesse: And talk about how when somebody stuck in a rut and say they’re unhappy, there’s actually a chemical change going on in the body and there can be an addiction to this that people have to overcome.

Dr. Joe: When you get switched on because of some stressful event in your life, you switch on that primitive nervous system called the fight or flight nervous system or the sympathetic nervous system and the rush of adrenaline and these emergency chemicals puts the brain and body on high alert and that rush, that arousal. People begin to use the problems and conditions in their life for the drama to reinforce their conditioning or addiction to that emotion. So they need the bad job. They need the battery relationship, which means they become addicted to a life they don’t even like. And that’s why a lot of times change is so hard, but when you’re switched on in survival like this, then your brain being on alert living like this, 70% of the time you’re draining or tapping the body’s vital resources for healing. You’re mobilizing enormous amounts of energy on a daily basis for some emergency in your outer world. And there’s no energy in your inner world for growth and repair. So the body begins to break down. So if you’re a heroin addict or you’re hooked on coffee, the moment you start feeling a change in your interstate, what’s your brain does? Is it starts to create the image of what you need. Well, let’s just say that it’s not a coffee, but let’s just say you’ve been suffering for 30 years or angry for 20 years, are fearful for 10 years and all of a sudden the body starts not getting that feeling or you haven’t had a rush of that chemical. Then your brain is going to create an image from some memory in the past or something in your life. And when you combine an image with an emotion, in other words, the thought of your problem is turning on the stress response. If you combine an image with an emotion, you condition, what’s you’re doing is you’re conditioning your body to become that emotion. Now when that happens repeatedly, you’re conditioning your body further into that state or into the past or into that emotional state of being a junkie to some chemical. So then when it comes time to change and you’ve got to break out of that state, now game is on, you’re out of the bleachers and you’re in the field because just like an addict, you’ve got to overcome. You know, they’re your body that has been conditioned to be the mind and many people, um, don’t even understand that that’s what’s happening. So once they do understand and they say, okay, well this has been the emotion that I’ve been hooked on, now it’s no longer my ex, it’s no longer my boss. It’s no longer the trauma. Forget that. My mind keeps going back to that event because I’m still in that emotional state. So lower the volume to that emotion. And you think less about your past because you’re no longer associated or connected to it. And this is how people begin the transformational process.

Marni: Yeah. That default mode is so cushy and people just need to find a way to get out of it. So my question to you is how do we get into that place without having a wakeup call or an accident or you know, finding out we have a disease. How can we get into this place? You know, for our listeners right now, like what are some of the tools and tactics that they can start to become more aware of how they want to transform?

Dr. Joe: I see this so many times. I think we are innately wired to do this. When you reached that point where you don’t feel like yourself any longer and you can really view yourself objectively through somebody else’s point of view, I think there’s another way to do it. We got to start asking bigger questions. The first thing is like, okay, what thoughts do I want to fire and wire in my brain? What is the vision of my future? Who do I want to be in my life? What is happiness? What is wealth? You start asking these big questions and instead of turning on your TV and getting distracted, you search for those answers and when you ask the question, you turn on that creative center in your brain. You start, your brain starts looking for answers in your frontal lobe has connections to the entire brain. So what it’s doing is looking for what you got stored in there. What’s the raw materials? What have you learned in your life? It’s going to call up circuits in your brain that are associated with the question, and all of a sudden that’s going to select those different circuits. And when the brain starts calling up enough neurological networks and the brain starts firing in tandem, you get a picture in your mind, and that’s called intention. Now you’re seeing a new possibility. Once you get caught up in the thought of what that future looks like, if you’re passionate, the thought in your mind literally begins to produce an emotion because you’re believing you’re in that experience. So now you’re combining a clear intention with an elevated emotion. You’re not feeling guilt or shame or fear or anger or resentment. You’re feeling inspired. You’re feeling optimistic, you’re feeling the love for life, you’re feeling grateful, you’re feeling energy. Your heart is starting to open. And now if thoughts are the vocabulary over the brain and feelings are the vocabulary of your body and how you think and how you feel creates a state of being. You just moved from your past, present reality personality to your future, present reality or personality, or we could say then the stronger the emotion that you feel from that inner event, the more you’re going to pay attention to the picture or the intention in your mind. Now you’re remembering your future. You’re creating a longterm memory and your biology is moving from the past into the future. You’re in a new state of being so then doing this every single day is the work because your state of being then is really what’s going to carry you to your future. The moment you get up from your meditation or from your inward process and you feel grateful or you feel empowered or you feel unlimited now you’re connected to your future. You’re not looking for it any longer because your body feels like it’s already happened, so you’re not in separation or lack. The moment that feeling goes away and you react to a coworker or you react to traffic or to an email, and you start feeling a different emotion. You just disconnected from the energy of your future and you’re back to the energy of your past or back to the emotions of your past and don’t expect anything to change in your life. So then we’re doing this work to take the body and brain out for a drive every day in a new state of being and to be greater than the conditions in our environment. To be greater than the emotions and habits that are stored in the body. And to do it for an extended period of time. And if you can get ready because wonderful and weird and crazy things are going to begin to happen in your life, it’s the law. And now when that starts to happen and you’re caught up in the moment of whatever you’ve created, you’re going to look back at your entire past. And you’re not gonna want to change one thing in your past because it brought you to that present moment. And that’s the moment the past no longer exists. And so the person then who stops telling the story of their past and every day is telling the story of their future. The person who’s getting up in the morning and believing in their future more than, than they’re believing in their past or person who’s romancing their future more than they’ve been romancing their past. Every single day when they do this enough times in the universe starts responding those wonderful ways that’s letting them know they’re on a whole new line of time. There’s information coming from their environment that’s telling them, teasing them to continue to keep changing their state of being. So if your personality creates your personal reality and your personality is made up of how you think, how you act and how you feel, then the present personality who’s listening to this show has created the present personal reality called their life. If you wanted to create a new personal reality, a new life, that means you’d have to change your personality and uh, you’d have to become someone else to create a new life. And, and when people begin to understand then that this process of changing the way they think, the way they act, and where they feel literally can create a new person. Then many, many times you’ll see the disease literally vanish. And you say to that person, where does the disease go? And they’ll tell you its in the old person. It’s not about our health, it’s not about our wealth. It’s not about our new relationships. It’s about who we become in the process. And if you keep overcoming yourself every single day, more than likely you’re going to become that very person you want to be.

Jesse: You talked about meditation and this is a tool you use to change your internal state and the state of people that you’re working with. So take us back. When did you first stumble across meditation?

Speaker 1: Well, look, I’ve been studying yoga since, uh, I was a, 17 year old kid in the reason I did yoga was because there’s one of the few things that I couldn’t do as easily as any other sport. And it bothered me. So I got into it and I did a lot of Hatha Yoga, but many times at the end of the class we would do a little mini meditation and it was a relaxation process. And every now and then I get caught between wakefulness and sleep and have a really profound experience. And uh, I started craving that more and more. But the word meditation literally means to become familiar with. That’s what that symbol means, the familiarization process. So if you’re becoming familiar with your unconscious thoughts, your automatic emotional reactions, your behaviors and habits, and you’re so familiar, so conscious of them, you’re not going to go unconscious to know thyself that is the meditative process. And if you’re firing wiring new thoughts and behaviors and cultivating different emotions every day and you keep doing it over and over again, it’s going to begin to become familiar to you. So I don’t really have a type of meditation that is in any traditional sense, connected to any culture or any religion or any spiritual sect. We study the brain in the body and we see what works and what doesn’t work. So in the last about nine years or so with our research team, then we now know that there are certain brain states that you can achieve in meditation. And then there’s certain trends in dental states that you can achieve in meditation that we actually can induce. Now we can predict when it’s gonna happen. We can measure the changes that take place in a person’s body. So my journey over the last eight, nine years or so in all the research that we’ve done, I think science is the contemporary language of mysticism. So I think the moment you start talking religion or cultural tradition, I think audiences divide because of the language or the stigma around certain words. But I think science creates communities. So we’ve kind of got a way that we do it that really keeps it out of words that are unfamiliar to people are words that are have connotations. We teach people how to disconnect from their outer environment to literally get beyond their body and to lose track of time. And when you do that properly, that’s the moment you are disengaging from everything known in your life and you’re stepping into that realm of the unknown, the present moment. So we’ve got so many different meditations, but the purpose of meditation is to get beyond the analytical mind. What separates the conscious mind from the subconscious mind is the analytical mind. As people begin to learn how to regulate their brainwaves and how to practice that properly, now they enter the operating system where all those automatic behaviors and unconscious habits and emotional reactions exist. Now you can reprogram there. You can’t do that if you’re in your conscious, normal brainwave pattern because you’re separate from the operating systems. So we’ve found out that we can teach people how to create brainwave changes and not only create brainwave changes, but create very coherent brains. And when your brain is incoherent, you’re incoherent. And when your brain is coherent, you’re very coherent. We have so much data to show that people can do this. And now we have a community of people, not just a small community, but a large community that have developed a skill. And we just had Bond University out of on the gold coast of Australia. I just, I was just there last week and met with the senior research analyst that’s been studying our brain scans and she had the biggest smile on her face and she said, wow, we have never seen a community of people that are able to self regulate and change the brainwaves as quickly as these people. I mean, they can do it in four seconds, five seconds, nine seconds, twelve seconds. They know how to do it. They know how to get beyond themselves. And that’s very, very important, especially when you’re navigating in your life and you start feeling that moment where you’re kind of stepping off balance and you can self correct there instead of reacting going unconscious and it’s four o’clock in the afternoon and the event happened at you know, 10 in the morning, that’s a, people do that all the time. So people are using it not only just for their meditations, but now they’re doing it on a moment to moment basis in their life. They’re creating more brain and heart coherence because they practice it enough.

Jesse: In your book, you talk about allowing yourself two hours when you meditate, how often are you meditating?

Dr. Joe: Every day. I allow for two hours. It doesn’t mean I take two hours, you know, the whole purpose of meditation for me is to get beyond myself and some days are easier than others. If I just come back from Australia and I have a 17 hour time difference, I’ve been gone for two weeks or two and a half weeks and I was home for three days before then I was gone three weeks before then and then before then, two days in, four weeks before. I mean you come back to your life, you got a lot of demands and a lot of things going on and if he can’t find that present moment, I’m not going to get up feeling like I, I didn’t breakthrough. So I allow for two hours and sometimes it takes me an hour just to find the present moment. But it’s always, always so worth it. Other days I can kinda slide through it and 45 minutes to an hour and it’s a wonderful meditation and I have plenty of time to do whatever. But I allow for two hours because if I only allow for an hour and I can’t get beyond myself, that’s not enough time. So people say to me, why do you do it? I say, because if I can get beyond myself, I can overcome myself in the beginning of the day. The rest of the day is easy. That’s the work, you know.

Jesse: Now we’re going to take another quick break from our chat with Dr. Joe to give a shout out to our show partner Sunwarrior.

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Dr. Joe: If i.t was easy, everybody would be doing it. And it takes a little practice just like learning how to snowboard or learning how to hit a tennis ball or a golf ball or dance, the salsa. You got to get your mind and body working together. And if people just let go of their expectations of the way they think it should be or trying to control or force an outcome. Or do everything else other than what the instructions are and sometimes, you know, we find that certain people say, well I’ve meditated for 40 years, I don’t really need to study this or do this. And, and they have a lot of difficulty because they’re in the habit of doing it a certain way and we’re asking to do it another way. Sometimes the novice or the, the unexperienced person who really doesn’t have a whole lot of training has the most profound experiences because they’re not expecting anything or trying to control anything. They’re just kind of following the instructions and letting go. I think it’s important to get out of bed. If you meditate in bed you’re going to fall asleep. I think it’s important to sit up in the mornings to do your meditation. I think it’s important to pick a place where there’s not a lot of distractions that’s quiet, that uh, you don’t smell coffee, you don’t hear music playing. You’re not distracted in any way from anything in your outer environment. And I think it’s a really healthy to ask yourself, who do I want to be when I opened my eyes? Or what is the greatest expression of myself that I want to present to the world? If you asked those questions, something amazing happens. You naturally start to think in different ways. Whenever you make your brain work differently, you’re changing your mind. If you ask those questions and you make the commitment that you’re going to stay conscious of all the programs that keep yo returning back to your old self all day long and you review those programs. I guarantee you if you review them just for a week, you are going to have a different experience of your world because now you’re going to have a little more attention on your inner world of thoughts and feelings instead of all your on your outer world where most people perceive where the threat or the dangerous is. So then when you start really imagining who you want to be and how you want to live for that one day. If you can get into it and forget about yourself and get up feeling differently and then maintain that state for an extended period of time, you’re going to begin to see the effects of you at cause in your life. And now you become a scientist in your life, measuring all the wonderful things that are happening in your inner world because you’ve changed your energy. And I can tell you I’ve been doing this since 1998 and I can tell you without a doubt that nobody changes until they change their energy. And when change your energy, you change your life. And that’s just the way it is. So we’re wired to do this. It’s not something that’s so mystical that no one, is outside of, uh, someone’s reach that only special people can do it. It’s just a matter of practicing and sticking with it. So we have so many different types of meditations. Certain meditations to create brain coherence, certain meditations to create heart coherence, certain meditations to tune into potentials in the quantum field and create a vibrational match between your energy and that potential. We have meditations to, um, bless the different autonomic those centers in your body and to create more harmony and balance. We have meditations to activate latent systems in the brain for the mystical experience. We have walking meditations, we have the standing and walking meditations. We have lying down meditations, we have all different types of, plenty of seated meditation. We want to give people a variety of ways to influence their body and their life. And we also want them to understand what they’re doing and why that’s so important. That knowledge being the forerunner to the experience. The more you understand what you’re doing and why, the more easier it is to do it because you can assign meaning to. So I’m a big fan of building models for people to understand and combining quantum physics with neuroscience and neuroendocrinology and hormonal expression and, electromagnetism and epigenetics. I think serving it up in that way and then giving people the ability to be able to understand it really completely. There’s so much less that is left of conjecture to dogma or superstition. And when people have that kind of clarity, they can assign meaning to what they’re doing put more intention behind it and get greater results. So again, not falling into any traditional model, but really just studying the science and coming up with ways to help people get there.

Marni: And you have a lot of these meditations on youtube. We’ve done a few of them, so we’ll link a few of them up in our show notes so our listeners can get access to them. And I recommend you do them at home. But you also do these meditations at your events and something you’ve talked about is just the impact of a collective group doing a meditation together. That community, that energy of that synergy of intention being in one room can be so powerful. Which is amazing and I’m sure anyone who has been to one of your events or who wants to will feel that. So I want you to talk about that. But I also want you to maybe talk someone who maybe can’t get to an event, can they form their own group? Can they come together? Four or five people do a meditation and have that profound impact as well.

Dr. Joe: Oh my gosh, yes. I mean, you know, we’ve just done two week long events in the last three weeks. If you can imagine that. We did one in (inaudible) for about 1,350 people and we just did one on the sunshine coast in Australia for a little over a thousand people. And the group dynamic is so powerful. You know, the first day of every week long event is getting beyond yourself, overcoming yourself, overcoming the programs. This is where the chaos happens. This is where the analytical mind is trying to predict the next moment. This is when we’re struggling to breaking habits and it’s the process and when you have more people doing it, it just gets easier. Once people start breaking through and they start having their breakthroughs emotionally, habitually, hardwired wise, attitude wise, and they start seeing other possibilities and they start feeling the change, they start feeling more happy with themselves, they start feeling more in love with life. Now they’re ready to create. It only takes that first person to stand on the stage and say, hey, I was diagnosed with myasthenia gravis. I got graves disease, I lost my company, I lost my marriage and I’ve been seeing double vision for the last 10 years. Doctors told me it was just going to get worse. And then she tells you the story. I mean just happened on the Sunshine Coast and it tells you the story. You see that she doesn’t look like a Hollywood movie star. She not wearing all white. She doesn’t look like any different than you. People start making it more relatable. And we have the evidence and our brain scans and all of our scientific measurements, genetic measurements, everything, cellular measurements, and we have our evidence in the testimonials and people showing it that it is possible. I think evidence is the loudest voice. So once you get that person, then all of a sudden just like a infection spreads amongst the community and creates disease. I think health and wellness and abundance can be as infectious as disease. And now you have a collective consciousness. When people are opening their hearts more than the hardest, exhibiting an external magnetic field. And that field is interfering with the person’s next to them. And when they’re synchronized, the amplitudes get greater than the waves get higher. The higher the amplitude, the higher the energy in the room. And there’s available energy for healing. There’s available energy for the mystical experience. There’s available energy to create with, and so we see this incredible group dynamic that takes place, but by the same means you can have that on your own. I do my work by myself and not in the collective because I’m leading it, but you can get together in groups of people. You can practice a synchronizing your energy and raising your energy is seeing the effects as well. And we know because we’ve done the studies, that the autonomic nervous system will begin to be influenced by an external magnetic electromagnetic field. How do all these people that are wearing heart rate monitors go into heart coherence at the exact same time in the exact same day and the exact same meditation? I mean that’s kind of a phenomenal logical thing that’s taken place. That transcends the conscious mind and yet it’s loved the elevated emotion that tends to bond us and stuff. We start to seem very dramatic orderliness take place. Even the sympathetic and the parasympathetic nervous system, all of a sudden they start to merge together and, your nervous system starts resonating to everybody else’s frequency and that collective consciousness, why when one person has a breakthrough, it affects everybody. And that’s exactly what we want.

Jesse: So we’ve talked about thoughts and emotions and how these are inputs which lead to genetic changes and lead to a change in our body. But what are your thoughts on using nutrition as a different input and its impact on the body?

Dr. Joe: Well, look, we have three types of stress. Physical, chemical and emotional. Physical stress, trauma, accidents, injuries, falls. Chemical stress, viruses, bacteria, allergies, pesticides, toxins, hangovers, blood sugar levels. And then we have emotional stress, traffic jams, internet connections, second mortgages, single parenting, 401k, family tragedies. Each one of these three types of stressors knock the brain and body out of balance. So if we have three types of stressors, then we have three things that could create balance in the body as well. Physical balance, chemical balance and emotional balance. So then you get a person that person can start doing something physically, whether they’re doing exercise, aerobic exercise, yoga, massage, Chiropractic, acupuncture, explosive exercise. Doing something to get their body back into physical balance, chemical balance, eating better foods, making better choices, taking protomorphogens, taking nutraceuticals, taking vitamins, taking enzymes to help the body to return back to chemical balance, emotional balance, stress reduction. EFT, PSYCH-K, EMDR, uh, whatever it is meditation. In 31 years of practice, I can tell you that if you get two out of those three in order, the third one comes around. If we get somebody more physically balanced and more chemically balanced? They’re going to be more emotionally balanced. If get somebody more emotionally balanced and more chemically balanced? They’re going to be more physically balanced. Get somebody more physically balanced and more emotionally balanced. They’re going to be more chemically balanced. Anything that helps to keep the body back into order or homeostasis is always a leg up. In some people when you talk about nutrition, they have taxed their immune system to such a degree because of the stress hormones that the very food that they eat or the very environment that they live in, they have no immune system to be able to defend them from the very food they eat and even the food they eat then requires more energy to break down. Then they get from the digestive process to restore energy back in the body. So they’re in this kind of catabolic downward spiral. You take the bags off the camel in the desert and you reduce the number of calories, you’d reduce the foods that would be more difficult to digest, not forever, but until the camel can get back on its feet, and then you start adding the bags back on the camel. Then in time, then the person’s more adaptive, more resilient to their life. Now here’s the problem though. 75 to 90% of every person that walks into a healthcare facility in the western world walks in there because of a stress related disorder. And we’re talking about emotional and psychological stress, not physical stress, not chemical stress, but psychological stress. That’s 8 to 9 people out of 10 people are suffering from some type of emotional or psychological stress. So then you could have the perfect diet, you can eat all the right foods, you could, you know, exercise and all the right way. But if you’re living in fear and anxiety and self judgement and perfectionism and rigidity. The nutrition that you’re consuming may not have the effect that you’re hoping for it until you address that emotional issue. So the emotional component is just a strong component and a person can heal a disease and put it into remission, and then they can have one emotional reaction or, or some traumatic event in their life. And that emotion’s going to signal the gene, and now that person’s going to see the conditions start coming back. And they’ll ask you, why did it come back? And you can say to them, well, more than likely you’re reacting emotionally to the same conditions in your life or better yet the emotion is a record of the past. Your brain and body are moving back into the past and that’s why the condition is coming back.

Jesse: Well, we talk a ton about nutrition and diets on the podcast. I’m just curious if you’ve tried any of the popular diets in the health and wellness space, things like Keto or Paleo or or any of those?

Dr. Joe: I’ve experimented with everything because I was, I’m in the world and I got to know how they are. So I mean again, I’m, I’m an 80% guy when it comes to food. If you come to my house and I’m opening a great bottle of wine and I’m making a great meal, you get to choose, but I don’t overeat. I think that’s the first thing that’s the most important. The next thing is to make sure you’re in the right state of mind and body when you eat. If you are still switched on from the day and you’re shoving food down your mouth and you’re still in sympathetic dominance, you’re not going to be in the state to metabolize. Your in a state to run, fight and hide and that’s not a time to digest. Getting the person in the right state, feeling good about what you eat is also important. Certain people do not do well on just a vegetarian diet. They just burn fuel faster and they’re in an environment where they’re moving around a lot or there, at a job where they don’t have time to eat every two hours and their blood sugar levels become a big issue. So then even though they’re eating the right foods and their blood sugars are dropping way below normal, they’re not getting enough calories to sustain proper blood sugar then the vegetarian diet doesn’t work. Person who does Ketogenic, I think it’s a great thing to do the switch on that system so that the body can go into natural regeneration. But the person then who again, who’s not eating much in the morning and has a job where their framing houses and carrying plywood, they may be in a little of trouble. So again, you gotta be able to adapt to a lifestyle as well. So sure, I’ve done the caveman diet. I’ve put thousands of people through it, you know, that have, uh, really weakened immune system or chronic pain, get their immune system rebooted. Again, keep them on a structure, but giving them some laxity to enjoy life as wel that in a sense is also important. What comes out of our mouth as much as what goes into our mouth.

Marni: And I love that you bring up that all these inputs aside, the emotional state, our wellbeing, everything we’ve talked about today is at the forefront because it can affect everything else. So such a great way to end. But before we do, one question that we like to ask is what does ultimate health mean to you?

Dr. Joe: Oh my goodness. It’s really simple for me. There’s an intelligence that lives within you and I that is giving us life. And I think removing all the things that stops the expression of that intelligence through us, that the expression of that intelligence through us is the expression of life through us. And I think that, uh, and we begin to remove those masks, those valves, those limitations, those habits, those unconscious programs, those emotions. I think that intelligence finds a way out of us and I think we express it through us and I think that is the expression of health.

Marni: Beautiful. I love it. And your book Becoming Supernatural, the paperback came out in March, 2019. Great read, great book. Listeners get a copy. Other than that, how can they get in touch or follow what you’re doing?

Dr. Joe: Sure. I mean we have a website, drjoedispenza.com dr j o e d I s p e n z a.com. I mean I talked about the week long events and you asked about what people can do. We in order for people to come to a week long event. It’s important that they do the home study course, the online course. So we have a progressive online course. You get the online course, you get the intensive with it and that it’s a good way to prepare yourself to join a community of people on a week long event. And there’s meditations in there. There’s a lot of science about science and intimidating way, but a lot of information that allows people to build a sound model and that’s what we want. We want them to be fully engaged in it and the website is a great way for people to start the process.

Marni: And if there was one meditation that we could link up in our show notes, which one would it be?

Dr. Joe: Well, I can tell you there’s two really popular ones. One is called tuning i nto new potentials that’s super popular in our community. People have really great experiences in their life from that one. And the other one is the blessing of the energy centers. That’s somehow is a very popular meditation in our work and that really starts creating more harmony in the autonomic nervous system because each one of those energy centers around their control of the autonomic nervous system and once you know how to change your brainwaves and then through that operating system, you can begin to reprogram your autonomic nervous system and see very strong changes in your health.

Jesse: All right, we’re going to link everything up in our show notes over at ultimatehealthpodcast.com. And Dr. Joe, thank you so much. This has been great and we wish you all the best.

Dr. Joe: Thank you so much, Jesse. Thank you Marni. I appreciate your great work.

Marni: Thank you so much. We hope you just love today’s conversation with Dr. Joe. So much great information and we can’t to hear what you think. So be sure to tag us on Instagram @ultimatehealthpodcast and tag @drjoedispenza. Let us know what you loved about today’s show, whether it’s a quote or something you learned, something you took away, tag us in your stories. We love to get these and every Friday we do a share and we might just share your tagged story. Thanks so much guys. Can’t wait to see what you love.

Jesse: For full show notes, be sure and head over to ultimatehealthpodcast.com/296 we have links there to everything we discussed in a nicee show summary, so be sure and check it out. And also there’s a free downloadable worksheet for today’s episode.

Marni: And this is a worksheet that we’ve been putting together for you guys that contains special information that we’ve extracted from all the episodes that gives you some actionable takeaway, so be sure and go and take advantage of it.

Jesse: Before we let you go, I want to give some love to our editor and engineer Jase Sanderson over at podcasttech.com. Jase you do such a great job putting the show together and we really appreciate it. Thank you. This week’s fun fact about Jase is that he flew back home for a few days at the end of May and he got to spend some time with his parents and the dogs. That sounds nice. I hope you had fun. Have an awesome week. We’ll talk soon. Take care.

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